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Tracey Edelist, PhD's avatar

Clare, I too had a difficult time with this chapter (what chapter haven’t I had a hard time with? Lol). I didn’t get riled up this time though, as I’ve come to realize I don’t share the same overall worldview as Cameron so I’m not expecting much. It is especially clear in this chapter that she is writing for people who live a life like her (a horse!?!), and that she’s not considering the vast differences in people’s life experiences and circumstances. Someone can only tell you not to worry about money if they’ve never had to worry about money, or if they’ve chosen a lifestyle that doesn’t rely as much on money.

I completely agree about The Secret! I’ve felt that much of this book contains similar ideas to the Secret: believe it and it will happen. In my opinion, things don’t just happen because you want them to and believe they will. This is the fundamental difference in beliefs and values between me and Cameron. I do not believe that “God” will give you whatever you want/need if only you put your trust and faith in God. I believe you actually have to work toward what you want, and be open to new opportunities that come your way because of the work you’ve done. I belief in working with the life energies (whatever that means for you) around us, not depending on an external life force to give you a good life. We ebb and flow with the universe, giving and receiving; we have responsibility to do good in the world, not just to think good things are owed to us if we open ourselves up to it. And another side to feeling like your life is shit, that you are doing something wrong since “God” is not being generous to you, is that thinking that way also doesn’t allow credit to go to the person responsible for making good things happen creatively: you!

I didn’t know that history of AA, thanks for sharing! One of my great uncles founded the Salvation Army alcohol recovery program in Toronto, with the main focus on accepting Jesus as your saviour, putting your faith in him – more religious I suppose than AA. I grew up in the Salvation Army and don’t agree with most of their teachings (it felt like brainwashing to me), but I’ve always been curious about the link between religion and sobriety, as a way to help me understand the good that might come from these beliefs.

I also felt a disconnect between the focus on money, and joy and abundance. I feel like this chapter could be so much more meaningful and useful if it were focused on joy and abundance, addressing how money issues may interact with joy and abundance in a more realistic way.

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Sarah  Hawkins (she/her)'s avatar

I found this chapter important and engaging. Virginia Woolf, I think it was, wrote about the need to have “a room of one’s own” to be enabled to write and create in peace. She was well aware that the roof over that room needed to be paid for first. This is a problem that most of us struggle with, and sometimes agonise over. Shift and full time work can be all consuming and draining, but sometimes we need to do it to put food on the table and pay our utility bills. I can see why you got irritated with Julia Cameron when she bought a horse - writing is a notoriously badly paid and insecure profession! I still think that people are ashamed to share their experiences of poor money management, and that more good guidance on the subject is needed. People are generally fine once they get to a place of financial security to then look back and tell others about how much of a struggle it was to achieve it. The problem lies in our pride to not want to share our anxiety about poverty when it’s actually happening. I’ve spent many hours helping people with benefit claims and debt advice as a money advisor. Low income and money insecurity is one of the biggest drivers of mental illness after trauma because the stigma results in the problems mushrooming in silence. When people with mental health problems have accessed the charity I worked for with debt eating them alive, and I have said, okay, I’m going to write these letters for you, this is the order you need to pay them in, the relief was palpable coming off them. But there are private companies out there that charge for that service, adding to people’s debts in return for managing them. All this insecurity could have been avoided if these skills were taught properly in the teenage years. Coming back to the Artists Way, it’s a really important issue to address because insecurity really can hold back your potential as a creative. Maybe you could write a more down to earth book than Julia Cameron’s 🙂

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